Favorite bedside gun

topic posted Wed, June 30, 2004 - 1:09 PM by  Adam
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What would be your choice of bedside gun for home defense. Try to keep it under $2000. What gun would you keep handy in case of burglary or home invasion---or just for sweeping the house after you hear funny sounds downstairs?
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  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Wed, June 30, 2004 - 1:17 PM
    Well - I personally keep a .38-snubnosed revolver and ammo in my nightstand next to my bed. If I need to house-sweep, I'll reach down & grab a handful of 12-gauge shells & one of my shotguns.
  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Wed, June 30, 2004 - 3:24 PM
    12 gauge mossberg 500 defender, loaded with rubber buckshot, lethal at under 12 or so feet, but wont tear through the whole house
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      Wed, June 30, 2004 - 4:43 PM
      Bad Day Vest w/ my glock 26 w/ Cor-Bon +P JHP + 12 ga mossberg 500a w/ 2x 3" #2 and 3x 2.5" 00

      Oregon has a "Make My Day" statue on the books, so I don't bother w/ the rubber bullets. #2 doesn't penetrate walls, and only leaves one story for the judge.
      • Re: Favorite bedside gun

        Wed, June 30, 2004 - 6:23 PM
        I'm with you on the shotgun. Mine's a High Standard 1500 pump with #6 birdshot for 2 rounds, then 5 rounds of bb shot. In the butt cuff, I keep 00 for serious work.

        Have a plan. Get your loved ones behind cover, then call the cops, then think about shooting. If you can spare the time.
  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Wed, June 30, 2004 - 6:25 PM
    9mm Beretta or Glock 17.

    Ithaca 12 gauge 'cause I like the sound they make indoors.
    • Re: Favorite bedside gun

      Thu, July 1, 2004 - 12:35 PM
      I'd have to say my Model 629 or my Remington model 870.
      • Re: Favorite bedside gun

        Thu, July 1, 2004 - 6:23 PM
        I go with the shotgun loaded with #6. It's lethal at closer ranges but dissipates. Gotta worry about over penetration with kids in the house (although they are instructed to get under their beds if they hear shooting in the house.)

        The neatest little shotgun I've seen lately (inexpensive too) was the Mossberb 500, 8 shot riot, with the shielded ghost ring rear sight for about 350. I'd go with tritium sights and the illuminated forwarded grip.
  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Fri, July 16, 2004 - 1:38 PM
    The family dog is the bed-side defensive item I choose.

    On alert 24/7, reasonably easy to care for, good companionship and doesn't take up much room.

    Also cheap and easy to mass produce using unskilled labor.

    While I wouldn't recommend a dog as your sole line of defense, it will do the house sweep for you, do a much better job of distinguishing those odd noises in the basement as a threat or not, and in the event of an invasion it'll buy you the time needed to get to the 12 gauge.

    If you are truly serious about home defense, get a dog & a shotgun.
    • Re: Favorite bedside gun

      Fri, July 16, 2004 - 3:29 PM
      Poor choice.

      Dogs are easily distracted and their motivations are predictable. You have no idea how a half-clever crook can neutralize your dog. A little fresh blood, some fast acting poison or a club or knife, and poochie is Filipino food.

      Remember, they only have an IQ of 35.
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        Re: Favorite bedside gun

        Fri, July 16, 2004 - 5:33 PM
        "Remember, they only have an IQ of 35."

        Much like your average anti-gun liberal.

        I know, that was a cheap shot. I shouldn't insult dogs like that.
        • Re: Favorite bedside gun

          Fri, July 16, 2004 - 8:15 PM
          Hey, my dog is way smarter than any damn liberal!

          Actually I go with John on the dog & a shotgun (or dog and any combo.) I don't need a big dog that'll bite someone, just a dog that'll let me know someone's there. I'll take care of the intruder. Dogs that bite will get you in legal trouble when they bite the neighbor's kid.

          Got me a dawg, a BFG, a shovel, and a bag 'o lime.
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      Sat, July 17, 2004 - 12:11 PM
      A friend of mine lived for a while in Tehachapi, CA. It's a desert town known mainly for a supermax prison--Charles Manson, for instance, has been cooling his heels there quite a while. Now my friend's land backed right onto the prison grounds, so one day not long after she moved in an employee of the prison came around and told her that if she saw anyone in her backyard she didn't recognize to shoot immediately and then call the cops. She said she would do that, assuming the wolf pack didn't get to them first...
  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Fri, July 16, 2004 - 8:20 PM
    I agree with the dog. Great alarm system!! Better than any man made one. Besides I have never known anyone that won't hesitate when they hear a dog bark. The dog's acute hearing and alarm may give you enough time to get the shotgun out but I believe pulling the pistol ( my 40 Cal. Browning Hi-Power or Colt 1911) from a easily, quickly accessible location would be best. My personel choice is a pistol and a expandable baton.
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      Sat, July 17, 2004 - 7:21 PM
      I'm telling you guys, dogs are not reliable. Talk to any big city cop who investigates in suburbia. There are literally thousands of suburbanites who relied on dogs as an alarm system and the "system" failed. Hell, it happened to my brother-in-law. They were asleep in their home, with their "trusty" German Shephard, only to find themselves being held at gunpoint, tied up, and robbed. The shepherd? He was treated for a cracked skull and was never the same again. The cops told them that this happens frequently and they never should have relied on an animal that wasn't as smart as the crooks.

      And Larry - this actually happened in Roswell.

      You want an alarm system, get a real one.
      • Re: Favorite bedside gun

        Tue, July 20, 2004 - 1:08 PM
        Get 2 yappy little dogs. One of 'em is bound to bark it's yippy little head off. ;)


        If I could have any gun for a bedside gun, and since I live in a 2 story with a single point of access to the 2nd floor that can be easily controlled, I'd go with an MP5 in 40cal. Tac light under the barrel, and a supressor so I didn't bother the neighbors. Stoke it with 135gr CorBons.

        One thing that Masaad Ayoub used to preach that is waaay handy is not just to keep a gun handy, but a ready pack. Generally it is a fanny pack with extra mags, a flashlight, handcuffs or zip ties, maybe even a radio or cell phone. Personally I keep an old duty belt set up with most of this gear.
      • Re: Favorite bedside gun

        Sun, July 25, 2004 - 5:16 PM
        Of course the big city cop is going to tell you the stories about the dog that failed because that is all he/she investigates. The cops ( even the owners) don't know how times homes were saved by the house hold mutt barking which caused the bad guy to go somewhere else. You say get a real alarm system...well tell me what type of alarm system is fool proof...No alarm system is totaly safe. If a intruder wants in, the intruder is going to get in.
        • Re: Favorite bedside gun

          Sun, July 25, 2004 - 9:16 PM
          Nothing is completely foolprof - you are right. But dogs are pretty damed easy to get around. Tell me where you live and I'll show you, heh heh.
          • Re: Favorite bedside gun

            Mon, July 26, 2004 - 6:58 AM
            Actually, the issueof using reloaded ammo in a defensive situation is a liability issue. More so in civil court than in criminal these days.

            For those of you that have never heard of this issue, here's a quick rundown: A few years, rats (I mean lawyers) started bringing up the issue of the type of bullets that were used in a defensive shooting. What they would do is say that because you used custom handloads of your own, you were some kind of fanatic. In simple terms, Silvertips and Hydrashoks weren't good enough for you so you had to cook up your own killer loads. While we all know this is crap, you can stack a jury like a deck of cards. In civil court where only a preponderance of guilt is required, a lot of ordinary people were made out to look like the Klan for using their own reloads which were in many cases less effective than good factory ammo.
            • Re: Favorite bedside gun

              Wed, July 28, 2004 - 8:11 AM
              You need to go do the Lexis/Nexis search on this. I did in 1999, when this issue got to legendary proportions over on rec.guns.

              The few times that plaintiff attorneys have tried this tactic, the tables were turned on them so hard that the all lost their cases in very quick jury decisions. The defense is too easy. Think about it - how deadly is deadly force when deadly force is in self defense is warranted? Ayboob is a crackpot. There are no cases civil or criminal where this line of logic has been successful for the prosecutor/plaintiff in the USA.
              • Re: Favorite bedside gun

                Wed, July 28, 2004 - 8:32 AM
                People have successfully sued McDonalds for making their hot coffee too hot and you doubt that you could have the shit sued out of you in civil court for something as politically incorrect as using a gun to defend yourself? Did you miss the OJ trial, the rodney king fiasco? The rioters who hit a truck driver in the head with a brick (on video tape) beat the rap.

                Besides that, his advice to keep not just a gun nearby, but a well stocked fanny pack or duty rig is sound advice. So you stop a burglar in the middle of the night wearing nothing but your whitie-tighties, do you drag the guy back up to your bedroom to get your handcuffs/flexcuffs or a flashlight, pepper, extra magazines?
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                  Re: Favorite bedside gun

                  Wed, July 28, 2004 - 6:33 PM
                  > So you stop a burglar in the middle of the night wearing
                  > nothing but your whitie-tighties

                  OK, but how did he get into my whitie-tighties in the first place? *rimshot*
          • Re: Favorite bedside gun

            Mon, July 26, 2004 - 4:03 PM
            Are you a dog handler or have some sort of expierence with dogs? I am curiouse because you seem so confidant that they are simple to beat.
            Dogs could be easy to get around but you missed my point...the sound of a dog for a majority of people is a strong motivator to move on. I have seen, first hand the presence of a dog make a man stop what ever he was doing wrong.
            One last thing FALPhil...I don't like threats.
            • Re: Favorite bedside gun

              Mon, July 26, 2004 - 6:19 PM
              Having worked in a county jail, I have had many burglars tell me that they chose another house to break into simply because of the barking dog. Can you defeat a dog? Of course, but most criminals are lazy sons of bitches. Statistically speaking, most burglars are so lazy they are deterred by a locked door.
            • Re: Favorite bedside gun

              Wed, July 28, 2004 - 8:06 AM
              Actually, I used to be. My parents owned a working dog kennel for over 20 years as I was growing up, which included elkhounds, boxers, shephers, and terriers. In addition, I took a 2 day course on self defense involving dogs. It was very enlightning, even though I spent my whole life around big dogs.

              A single dog, regardless of breed can never defeat an able-bodied grown human who keeps his head. Two trained dogs working together can never defeat a an able-bodied human who keeps his head who has a truncheon or a knife. The instructor figured it would take at least a half dozen large dogs *who had trained as a team* before he started getting worried, and he was 62 years old (but in excellent shape).

              Kids, small women, people in poor health or physical condition are a different story, however.

              One of the more interesting things that I learned was that the dogs you really have to worry about are the trained guard dogs that have their vocal chords clipped. They don't make any noise and can surprize you. Of course, that would negate any value at all as an "alarm". At that point, I dodn't even consider anyone would clip a dog's vocal chords, but the instructor said it was pretty common for certain applications.
              • Re: Favorite bedside gun

                Wed, July 28, 2004 - 9:11 PM
                Working dogs? When you say that I think of sheep dogs. (no joke intended) So what were these working dogs for.

                You have brought up some interesting points, however I still believe a good dog can be a trusty alarm (it is better than not having one)and besides whats the odds of having a 62 year old dog fighter break into your house (that is what the Browning Hi Power is for )it's most likely close to the same odds of being hit by a bus on a country road,in Nebraska,on a Sunday, after 10am, but before 3pm.
                Dogs COULD be easy to get around, but for the common person its not so easy and a good deterant. I have seen the biggest badest drug snorting,dealing gang member give up very,very quickly when a dog was brought to the scene. I have also had my butt kicked by dogs when I use to spend some overtime as a chew toy (canine agiatator). So your everyday garden variety bad guy is most likely going to not bother your house when he hears a dog barking. The other type of bad guy well, all the dog's has to do is bark long enough for me to wake up, then I have a fighting chance.

                This arguement has been very ironic......I don't even own a dog
                • Re: Favorite bedside gun

                  Thu, July 29, 2004 - 6:49 AM
                  I have a high level of confidence in my wierdo dog. he is a medium sized dog, looks mean but is unlikely to bite anyone, and he follows my wife everywhere she goes. Then at night he sleeps at the foot of the bed. Strictly an indoor dog, he only goes out for a few minutes a day so he would be harder to poison (and doesn't bark all day and annoy the neighbors.)

                  Burglars, with few exceptions, are the laziest bunch of sons of bitches. They think they're James Fucking Bond, want to work one night a month and live like Donald Combover Trump. It used to piss me off to listen to cons talk about 'their rights' being violated by the police or some such nonsense.
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                    Re: Favorite bedside gun

                    Thu, July 29, 2004 - 10:39 PM
                    my dad says, double barreled sawed off with the triggers wired together. after all, when you're drunk in your own home and sleeping it off who has time for tactics and skill?
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                    Re: Favorite bedside gun

                    Mon, August 2, 2004 - 11:41 PM
                    Very true about the character of burglars. But it's the few exceptions that I do worry about.

                    On another note, we had a Chinese community home invasion close by not too long ago. The victim indicated that the perps were in the house so fast that he hadn't figured out what the crashing sound of his front door was when he realized that there were guns trained on him. He had an alarm system and a dog. The gang didn't mess with either one, except to shut the dog up in the pantry, and they were long gone before John Law turned up. On the other side of town, a Mexican gang is using the same tactics. They have struck 4 times now with no repurcussions.
                    • Re: Favorite bedside gun

                      Tue, August 3, 2004 - 11:19 PM

                      For real piece of mind, get your outside wooden doors replaced with metal ones set in metal frames. The next time someone tries to kick it in (which is really easy) they'll be digging their hip bone out of their ears.
  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Sat, January 27, 2007 - 9:43 AM
    My wife told me i must be crazy and that i was the only one who would sweep my house with a gun after hearing a suspicios noise(glad to know im not the only crazy one)
    Personally I like to use my Springfield XD 40 and my mossberg 500 20ga Seems to do the trick.
    • Re: Favorite bedside gun

      Sun, January 28, 2007 - 3:16 AM
      I have a .45 ACP loaded with 230gr JHP Fiochi Devastators. Similar to the fragmentation round, the lead expands and leaves an exit wound the size of a softball while the jacket disperses causing shrapnell to bounce around inside the body, shredding the internal organs to shit. I also have a 410 loaded with steel shot. I was taught simply this. Kill the cocksucker, because if they were desperate enough to break into your house then they might be desperate to do anything, including kill you. The option comes down to my life or theirs and I choose mine. I kill them because I don't want them to have the chance to kill me or the ones I love, I kill them so that they will never have the chance to terrorize another person, and I kill them because they can't take me to court and testify if they are dead, as well. even if it doesn't work in my favor, I'll get out of jail eventually and well, they will be dead forever. When time allows it is always right to call the police, but sometimes that time isn't there and you have to do what you have to do to insure the survival of yourself, your loved ones, and other potential future victims.
      I know I sound like a callous asshole but life is hard and I work damn hard for all of the very little I have and I'll be damned if I'm going to let some worthless piece of shit take it away from me without a fight and a hefty fucking price tag!!!
  • Re: Favorite bedside gun

    Sun, January 28, 2007 - 7:09 AM
    I keep a flashlight a CZ 40P and a Remington 870 next to the bed.
    My Chihuahua is a great early warning system, but he isn't good for much else but any noise out of the norm and he freaks out barks pretty loudly and hides under the covers untill you get up to see what it was. lol

    The perfect 3 for living here in the sticks of NH.
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      Re: Favorite bedside gun

      Thu, November 29, 2007 - 3:22 PM
      I see a lot of GREAT choices for bedside guns here... I don't currently own a shottie, but that would be my choice with probably #4 shot to save (some) of the excessive damage on my renter's deposit.

      One comment I have about 'Bedside Guns'.... Be sure your bedside gun is also a holster gun, or a car gun, or a secret-cubbyhole gun. I would imagine there is not a more ominous feeling than coming home from work, suspecting you're not alone, and going for your bedside gun only to find an empty nightstand drawer.... and then hearing a noise in one of the other rooms.

      Needless to say, I'm not a fan of snubbies left in the drawer or shotties lying on the carpet under the bed.

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